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Post by fuguestate on Sept 6, 2017 19:09:08 GMT
I've already posted this in The Old Forum, but wanted to do something fun (see below) so I'm reposting it here. PDF scoreMP3 audio (rendered on a Kawai piano soundfont) And here's the fun thing: Exuberance in reverse audio, rendered on an el cheapo reed organ patch I found online and reversed with an audio processor. I chose reed organ because of its near-constant note envelope, which works better in reverse than something with a lot of decay like a piano. The reason for reversing is because this particular fugue revolves around the inversions, retrogrades, and inverse retrogrades of the subject and countersubject. Reversing the audio "undoes" the retrogradation, and since the very last entry at the end is the subject in retrograde, you should be able to immediately identify the subject at the beginning of the reverse audio. The other entries will also be similarly remapped, so you might be able to recognize some of them. Now, I don't know of any audio processor that inverts pitch, but if there is one, we'd be able to "undo" both the retrograde and inversion, and you'd be able to identify exactly which entry is the retrograde inverse by listening for the (counter)subject in the result.
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Post by Tim Marko on Sept 6, 2017 19:40:07 GMT
Though I'm not well versed on fugue, I did enjoy this. A question; Do you hear it this fast? It felt like it should go a bit slower to allow the listener to absorb the lines you've written.
Again, nice work.
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Post by fuguestate on Sept 6, 2017 20:34:45 GMT
Thanks, Tim Marko! You're not the first one to suggest slowing down the tempo. In fact, I've already dialed it back from the original 115 bpm. I did try 105 bpm once, and the lines are certainly much clearer that way, but then it does lose a bit of its "exuberance". The original breakneck-speed 115 bpm had more of that energetic, unstoppably-barging-forward feeling that I had in mind, but yeah, it does make it difficult to follow the lines. Originally I was considering to write the tempo marking as "as fast as you can go while still making the 32nd notes sound clearly". The current 110 bpm is my compromise between retaining some of the original exuberance while still making the lines somewhat clear to follow. Thanks for listening!
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Post by Mike Hewer on Sept 7, 2017 14:58:34 GMT
you mad mad composer. Great fun and it bloody well works!
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Post by gx on Sept 7, 2017 16:09:18 GMT
Fun HS! .. For me, the first half, especially, 'works' quite well. Even backward, that harmonic change at m45.. is a bit of a bump, and something I'm getting used to.. but it does serve as a marker Is the next challenge to write a musical palindrome? I can't because i am "Aibohphobia" - (read backwards ) ………..meaning, of course - fear of palindromes.
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Post by fuguestate on Sept 7, 2017 17:03:02 GMT
Mike Hewer: A fugue a day keeps sanity away! gx: I think palindromes are boring. What I thought about is something more interesting: write in a way such that when played backwards, the chord progressions, climactic points, etc., will still "make sense". So one has, not invertible counterpoint, but reversible counterpoint, wherein the progression of lines must make sense in both directions. This is actually more tricky that it might first appear. For example, consider the following snippet: The B in the top fragment can be considered a passing note, and the dissonance it makes with the C falls on a weak beat. However, once we reverse the notes, the B falls on a strong beat, and potentially introduces a voicing issue. Basically, once you have passing notes, the retrograde will turn them into non-passing notes, and vice versa. Makes it much harder to write convincing counterpoint! A worthwhile challenge for any would-be counterpoint maestro. An even crazier idea I have is a table fugue (analogue of a table canon), where you can turn the page(s) upside-down (and read from last page to first) and the result still makes sense musically. Bonus points if you end the fugue with the subject retrograde inverse, so that when played backwards, it sounds like the original, but the middle sections will be different. (Yes I know, I'm having way too much fun with this. And people say fugues are boring. )
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Post by David Unger on Sept 11, 2017 16:03:52 GMT
Judging by this fugue I think you are a good way on your way to becoming a master of counterpoint. This fugue was great fun to begin with and the trick you pulled with reversing it was even more fun since it actually worked almost as well. I hope to join you in the fuguewriting club in the future as I have just picked up Tjomas Benjamin's "The craft of tonal counterpoint" and I hope that doing his excercises (and the ones by David Fuentes in his Figuring out melody) will bring me a bit closer to mastering it. But you are still miles ahead of me (and by the time I reach your level I think that you wil be a complete monster!) Great work!
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Post by fuguestate on Sept 12, 2017 21:33:36 GMT
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Post by luis on Sept 25, 2017 14:07:49 GMT
I think this is a little gem. Of course it works in retrograde because the counterpoint is quite excellent. About the inversion, some notation programs (Finale) have a plug-in to do it. It works well, although you always have to adjust here and there.
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