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Post by Dave Dexter on May 17, 2019 14:07:00 GMT
Inspired by some harp bisbigliando Mike wrote in his clarinet concerto, I used the same technique in my new piece - then expanded it to celesta. I've read up but can't find an absolute guide on notating it. Technically my mockup has the celesta playing arps like this: but for a cleaner score I started notating: with the intention of an unmeasured, droning chord sparkle. In context it's a repeating F-Bm-G-F sequence: so the question is, did I get it right, is it readable, how could it be clarified if not? Brackets round each chord? I'm limited by Logic that I can't use the long tremolo slashes you'd normally see, so my notation is a workaround. Thanks!
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Post by Dave Dexter on May 17, 2019 16:08:44 GMT
On reflection this seems clearest but I don't know how a keyboardist would approach it:
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Post by Bob Porter on May 17, 2019 16:57:58 GMT
Just a thought. If this is a repeating figure, you might write out the first beat or so, then put "simile" over the subsequent figures that are tremolo stems that have the notes you want. I.E. like your last example
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Post by Dave Dexter on May 17, 2019 19:10:06 GMT
That's a good point, but which first beat would I use - the arp written out in full or the tremolo chord versions?
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Post by Tim Marko on May 17, 2019 19:17:18 GMT
Dave, each will have a different interpretation. A will quickly alternate between c and eg as quick as possible. B will pulse the whole triad as quickly as possible. C will actually play an arpeggio on all 4 beats. Not sure which you are wanting, but that's how they will be played. When the progression changes, just enter the new notes at the start of the bar. Hope this helps. Just noticed the piece is in 3/4 time. A should be dotted quarter notes. B should be a dotted half.
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Post by Dave Dexter on May 17, 2019 20:46:03 GMT
Thanks Tim, so if I want to write a repeated arpeggio I have to just - write it. There's no shorthand a player would interpret as effectively as writing the phrase and instructing to repeat or sim.?
What's the name of the slashes in C, which I assume are repeat marks?
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Post by Tim Marko on May 17, 2019 22:00:08 GMT
This is how the clip you showed would look. Whether to use it or not is up to you. If it's only 3-4 bars, I'd just write it out. If the pattern continues for a long period, I'd use the shorthand, as it doesn't take up so much space in the score. I've always just called them repeat marks. Single slash repeats a beat, slash with 2 dots repeats the measure. Another thought would be to use the shorthand in the score to save space, but write the part out for the player.
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Post by driscollmusick on May 18, 2019 18:27:31 GMT
If you really want unmeasured, this is the notation (per Gould), depending on whether or not you want the middle note repeated
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Post by Dave Dexter on May 24, 2019 11:58:38 GMT
It took me a while to figure out - I've used the full-bar repeat before, which automatically replaces everything in a bar, but the single-beat slashes just sit on the score in Logic without altering anything. Turns out you can select a staff style that displays rests as slashes and does what you suggested. View AttachmentThis is how the clip you showed would look. Whether to use it or not is up to you. If it's only 3-4 bars, I'd just write it out. If the pattern continues for a long period, I'd use the shorthand, as it doesn't take up so much space in the score. I've always just called them repeat marks. Single slash repeats a beat, slash with 2 dots repeats the measure. Another thought would be to use the shorthand in the score to save space, but write the part out for the player.
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