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Post by socrates on Jun 24, 2018 11:08:07 GMT
I've just noticed a few days ago that my thread "FAREWELL MIKE" was closed in the Ning forum because "it had served its purpose" and a time limit was given for last farewells to Mike. I just thought it was quite laughable, but I did not bother with Gav's explanation of stopping it. How can there be a time limit, if the implication is that it was not offensive to anyone, but just "served its purpose", who defines a purpose musical or otherwise for someone else's thread and what explanation or justification can be provided by such a definition giver? Perhaps I should say, law giver, like Draco, Solon or Hamurabi. The tread in question even had one like by Rodney Carlyle Money. In my opinion there was not any need to stop it, but just let it fade away like all threads, and I thought that this would happen anyway. But tonight I see that although it was about the middle of the front page and eventually would disappear as no one had the chance of posting anything new in it, it has indeed disappeared but not because of posting a lot of new threads and being naturally pushed out of the way, but as if it was an eye sore to the management, while its time to die had not yet arrived. I signed in for the first time since last week and tried to trace it. No cigar! Vanished without trace, like it never existed. What the hell happened, can anyone comment/advise? Of course it is not of any consequence, or the business of this forum to guess how Gav operates his little dictatorship in his forum, but I would be interested to know to what extent of pettiness unfairness and close mindedness some people calling themselves artists, musicians, composers, are prepared to go, just to cover their complexes and inadequacies. I found Gav's and Morabito's initial efforts to obscure it and push it down the line just pathetic, cause as long as it was active more people might have responded to it, and perhaps that was a thorn at their side, therefore Gav closed it, and now deleted it completely by the looks of it. The thread as it was, with all of Roger's speculative deviation into other spheres, was civilized and inoffensive enough, not giving any ground for the admins to stop it, but still they did, and they did not let it even live its natural life and be swallowed by oblivion, so perhaps Mike was again right in predicting that it would disappear soon enough. I consider this as an act of personal provocation by the management: I complain about it and then they have grounds to delete my account and kick me off that forum. Not that it would be of much use to me as a forum now that the best people left, but what do you think, should I do them the favour?
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Post by rayinstirling on Jun 24, 2018 11:28:01 GMT
You must make your own decision Socrates. Julie has washed her hands of the place. If you check on the Ning forums info you’ll find Gav and his side kick oops! I mean Morabito and his student have a few dollars available to keep their closed use of SUPERLATIVES to themselves for a considerable length of time.
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Post by Mike Hewer on Jun 24, 2018 11:40:53 GMT
Hi Socrates, Well I think you've called it exactly as it is with the two people at .ning. Attached is the only response I got from admin when questioning unfairness in censorship. As you can see, it was a cowardly response to a genuine request to deal with unfounded remarks. I can only draw my own conclusions about my time at .ning as no more responses where forthcoming after repeated requests. One conclusion being that Gav did not like me and on reflection, that is no surprise given the musical gulf between us. the fact that your lovely gesture to me in that thread was taken down is not a surprise and no doubt was,as you rightly assume, a thorn in their side. Admin has proved itself to be ethically bereft and afraid. Untitled.tiff (321.87 KB)
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Post by Bob Porter on Jun 24, 2018 15:32:29 GMT
Gav has a tough row to hoe. He wants .ning to be a fantasy world were all is roses and sunshine. But life and music are not like that. Morabito must be contributing a lot of money. He has chased many good composers off the forum by trying to shame them for having an opinion different from his. He insists on making everyone over in his image.
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Post by Dave Dexter on Jun 24, 2018 15:43:07 GMT
Everyone's favourite subject! To clarify: Socrates, you got banned/deleted for asking why your Farewell Mike post vanished? That is next-level petty of Gav, especially since even I had to go through my five warnings first. Let's forget that they were for progressively vanilla infractions. I've noticed, certainly suspected, for some months that Miroshima will go on his habitual copy-paste linkfest posts, or find something to comment on, purely to push some offending material down the ladder and off the front page. There always seemed a correlation between me posting some new music or recording, and some utterly specious new post or reply by Mepilepsy - never on my music, which one might think would be worth his time as an acknowledgement of earned accomplishment if he's happy to post GREAT JOB on literally any soundcloud link or mp3. Don't worry, Bob, I was never offended, just deeply aware that this oversight proved your motivation far more clearly than you might have hoped. Like Mike, I asked Gav directly what I was doing wrong and why I was getting warned for inappropriate posts, especially when More-or-less-dead was not. There was no effort to engage, simply "I am following the posting rules detailed here (with a link)". The thread that finally got me banned was, in entirety, one I started to continue the discussion of DAW vs NS that Morovirus had closed. He had in fact invited another thread opened to discuss it, and since he used the phrase "This whole issue of DAW vs NS", I titled my thread "This whole issue of DAW vs NS". A provocation, to be sure, but one so mild it surely could barely register - and one which Bob had literally suggested! Nope. BAN. Clearly my days were numbered and I would adopt the same reasoning as Mike; a musical gulf. Some bright young spark with excellent hair on another forum summed it up; I don't think Gav has grown musically or ability-wise for decades, and then you've got me working hard to get better and the monolith of Mike's experience and knowledge (stop preening, Hewer) throwing it into sharp relief. Socrates' banning is a further testament to this theory: Gav doesn't ban bad composers. That's not to say the members here who've not yet been banned are bad, more that he just hasn't got round to you yet. It all more or less proves that Gav is not running a forum to genuinely instruct, educate, or foster such an environment for composers. If he was, the members recently banned would not have been. He's running a lovely warm bath for his ego, and the uncomfortable pumice stones personified by driven and superior members are not welcome in the ego-bath. Ironically, such a statement sounds a bit egocentric of me, but until Gav can do what I've worked my ass off to accomplish the statement stands It's a shame Julie, apparently with a far more genuine goal of instruction and education, decided that forum politics were bad for her health. I assume her young charges very seldom say "***t". Smile for Gav and Morestudyneeded - they certainly read this. Hiiii!
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Post by rayinstirling on Jun 24, 2018 18:25:55 GMT
Here’s a pic of me and real creator of the composers’ forum back in 2008. Gav Brown is the nobody I prevented from becoming an admin for a long time. Contests.....that’s all he thought about, talent none.
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Post by Dave Dexter on Jun 24, 2018 19:15:02 GMT
Here’s a pic of me and real creator of the composers’ forum back in 2008. Gav Brown is the nobody I prevented from becoming an admin for a long time. Contests.....that’s all he thought about, talent none. View AttachmentSo he's been kicking the stable door for years and a few hundred dollars was a small price to pay for his very own forum?
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Post by Dave Dexter on Jun 24, 2018 19:16:50 GMT
Gav has a tough row to hoe. He wants .ning to be a fantasy world were all is roses and sunshine. But life and music are not like that. Morabito must be contributing a lot of money. He has chased many good composers off the forum by trying to shame them for having an opinion different from his. He insists on making everyone over in his image. It's not that he's chased them off, it just gets very dull and since Gav's rise, it's impossible to actually call him out on his nonsense or even engage in debate.
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Post by rayinstirling on Jun 24, 2018 19:42:25 GMT
Actually, let me apologise for being drawn into this discussion. Sad but, It’s water under the bridge.
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Post by fuguestate on Jul 19, 2018 19:52:56 GMT
Ahh... good ole forum drama. Perhaps this draw more traffic to this forum to keep it going?
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Post by socrates on Jul 20, 2018 1:25:18 GMT
Ahh... good ole forum drama. Perhaps this draw more traffic to this forum to keep it going? 7 against Thebes - (Sophocles) King Lear - (Shakespeare) Lysistrata - (Aristophanes) Ning - (Gav/Jeanne Moreau) Nothing wrong with drama. People like to watch, and given a chance, to participate. So, Yes, I hope so.
DRAMA UPDATE 5 hours ago Fred wrote something which I liked replying to Ingo's thread to the point imo. So, I quoted Fred and my comment was "!" .That's all. (Fred's reply was something to the effect that you must learn first to write competently tonal music which should take you 70-80 years and then you can devote the rest of your days venturing into atonal areas). see the result-capture attached.
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Post by fuguestate on Jul 20, 2018 16:27:56 GMT
I'm going to stick my neck out here and say it out loud: sometimes Zinos can be quite the troll (in the original sense of deliberately saying not necessarily sincere things just to provoke a reaction, not in the more recent sense of posting garbage), so I'm not surprised if some people find him a little offensive.
But OTOH, the reaction from Ning management is ... whoa. Talk about knee-jerk and over-the-top! Bringing a nuclear warhead with a hair trigger to destroy one ant that allegedly infiltrated the neighbouring house, collateral damage be damned. If Ning wasn't already doomed before, I'd say it certainly is now! With this style of micro-management, I can't imagine it would survive for another 10 years.
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Post by fuguestate on Jul 20, 2018 16:30:30 GMT
Either that, or there really is a conspiracy involving a certain well-known persona known to promote certain styles of music who is also quite unable to tolerate the existence of people with differing views on the subject.
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Post by Mike Hewer on Jul 20, 2018 17:53:55 GMT
I have to say that I think Fred was making a good point behind the humour. Atonality has to be met with experience in handling music otherwise chaos and waywardness can ensue - aint no art there imo.
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Post by Bob Porter on Jul 20, 2018 19:05:20 GMT
Fred's comment was right on. Humor and all. I couldn't believe that it was deleted.
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