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Post by Dave Dexter on Sept 21, 2017 9:21:02 GMT
musictheorysite.com/namethatkey/This is especially useful for someone like me without a formal knowledge of theory, and double-especially because I'm currently writing choral music that changes key centres and I don't want to give the singers clumsy scores. However, lack of theory means I've no idea if it's accurate - perhaps someone could verify this for me? Thanks!
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Post by fuguestate on Sept 21, 2017 16:25:17 GMT
I tried a few convention and unconventional combinations... seems pretty good! I haven't tested it exhaustively for accuracy, but I think it's a great starting point at the very least. It even manages to give a reasonable answer when I threw in an out-of-key chord just for fun.
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Post by Bob Porter on Sept 21, 2017 19:17:30 GMT
Seems OK.
Hey Dave, What happens if you export one of your pieces as a music xml, or a midi file, and open it in free software like MuseScore?
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Post by Dave Dexter on Sept 21, 2017 19:20:14 GMT
Thanks FS, appreciated.
Bob - I've never had the fortitude to stick it out. In theory I can create a score from it, but it doesn't just rearrange itself in perfect form.
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Post by fuguestate on Sept 21, 2017 19:26:23 GMT
Yeah, to produce a reasonable score, you have to write one. Automatically importing notes from midi / DAW / whatever may give you a starting point, but you still have to work for it before you get a reasonable score. Unfortunately. (In theory, a computer program ought to be able to take a series of input notes and figure out what the composer intended, and generate the score according to whatever historical accidents led up to the current hodgepodge of essentially arbitrary rules of scoring. In practice, however, this is far from trivial, and at the current state of technology human input is still indispensible.)
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Post by Bob Porter on Sept 21, 2017 19:43:35 GMT
Well, now I'm curious. Of course some work would be needed.
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Post by BootHamilton on Sept 21, 2017 20:36:02 GMT
I guess I'm a little slow. D#, Eb, and many other sharps & flats light up the whole damned thing. Why is that?
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Post by Dave Dexter on Sept 21, 2017 20:37:28 GMT
Well, quite. And I wouldn't expect it. But I don't even get the starting point of the notes being in the right place relative to each other. It's a mess. I've not put in the time to find out why though, as I'm used to Logic. Sibelius or Musescore had some trial version of software that would scan a pdf of a score and recreate it, but I never got it to work. Yeah, to produce a reasonable score, you have to write one. Automatically importing notes from midi / DAW / whatever may give you a starting point, but you still have to work for it before you get a reasonable score. Unfortunately. (In theory, a computer program ought to be able to take a series of input notes and figure out what the composer intended, and generate the score according to whatever historical accidents led up to the current hodgepodge of essentially arbitrary rules of scoring. In practice, however, this is far from trivial, and at the current state of technology human input is still indispensible.)
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Post by fuguestate on Sept 21, 2017 20:52:46 GMT
If you're not getting the notes lined up properly it may be caused by having the wrong quantization settings? Just a wild guess. But if it's something else, then that's out of my depth.
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Post by Dave Dexter on Sept 21, 2017 20:56:14 GMT
It's more fundamental than that, it doesn't import everything at once. With a 30-part score it just gets dispiriting, I don't know how to collate everything.
Ideally I'd use Logic for the general layout and then export to notation for all the dynamics and details. Maybe some day.
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Post by Bob Porter on Sept 21, 2017 22:40:26 GMT
I guess I'm a little slow. D#, Eb, and many other sharps & flats light up the whole damned thing. Why is that? Boot, I think in it's simplest form, the tool works one of two ways: 1. You know some of the chords in a piece of music. You have the sheet music in front of you. You see a key signature, but might not be sure what it means, or says. You figure out some of the chords and select those chord names. If you enter enough, the tool tells you what key that section of the piece is in. 2. Easier yet, you have a lead sheet. lyrics and guitar chords. You what to make an orchestra arrangement. Select the guitar chords until you get the key. Then you know what key you are writing in. I also found it confusing at first. Dave, Sibelius comes bundled with 3rd party software called PhotoScore. I don't know about the demo version. It will sort of read a pdf, which will need corrections. then that can be transferred to Sibelius and need even more corrections. Not for the faint of heart. I'm talking about being able to create a score from one of your logic files. I know it might be a mess. Avid makes a big deal out of Sibelius having been used to write the score for Avatar. The composer used Sibelius to create the initial score, that was put into a DAW to tweak the music. Then back into Sibelius to print parts.
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