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Post by gx on Feb 22, 2019 22:06:59 GMT
Working on this piano method book… Finally getting into intermediate territory that allows quite a bit more compositional freedom… Ive been gradually enlarging the scope of terms used… But I get to this latest piece, and I want to have just one beat in the intro to linger a bit longer than the pulse. Ive already introduced the idea of the fermata.. But in this spot, that would be too pronounced… Why the hell isn't there a sign for a mini fermata??? I don't want to say poco rit. for just one beat, and also, I can't say meno mosso - for just one beat. So am I forced to use English, "Slow,and linger just a bit longer for this beat?" . (But up til now , Ive just been using Italian). I can't change the time sig. for that measure, as that would be too drastic for the context… Any ideas? (Im looking for the 'mini fermata' - but can't believe Im the first to figure this question..)
For the time being, Ive used poco rit. for the single note.. thinking this is my best option..
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Post by Tim Marko on Feb 22, 2019 23:42:50 GMT
G, I looked into Gould to see if there was an answer and this is what I found. The first three fermata signs are normal, short and long. The final is recommended for pauses, but would work as a a way to mark the short elongation. A tenuto mark would also work, but then it would become a mark of interpretation (probably not what your looking for in a student method.) Either the triangular fermata or with "breve" over top would be the best solution. Also keeps the Italian!
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Post by gx on Feb 23, 2019 0:39:56 GMT
Great! Thank you, Tim. Just what I was looking for!
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Post by Bob Porter on Feb 23, 2019 19:12:53 GMT
Just a thought. As trumpet player, I never even heard of a short or long fermata until I saw them in the symbol section of Sibelius. They are all subject to interpretation. Which to use might also depend on the tempo of the piece. The shourt might be too short, or the normal too long, etc. Regardless of which you use, you might need to add a footnote of what you are after.
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Post by gx on Feb 23, 2019 20:16:25 GMT
Hi Bob. Yes, me too, in all the piano scores, and others, I didn't recall ever seeing such a thing.. (thinking we have all these shaded terms for accents, but not for pauses?) So I googled fermata, little fermata, etc, and got nothing.. I'm sure I should have gone to my reference books instead, just didn't think of it.) But when Tim posted the symbols, I then remembered seeing it in Sib. as well… and felt kinda dumb:) Yes, it will be footnoted, along with the rather large collection of footnotes so far. Thanks for responding.
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Post by Tim Marko on Feb 23, 2019 23:01:30 GMT
Don't know why I didn't think of this last night, but Percy Grainger does this type of thing frequently in his music. This is from "Irish Tune". First bar, second line you see he uses a fermata on the last 1/8 with pochiss. (small) noted above. This was the first I found, but he notates things like this in many of his pieces.
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Post by gx on Feb 24, 2019 4:59:35 GMT
Interesting. 'pochissimo' - (Italian) - ever so slightly. Great to know it has been used in a musical context. ('ever so slightly' is cumbersome to write in English - especially as often as I use it in my non student compositions. This will be quite helpful. Funny, I hadn't thought of Grainger for the longest time … ( iirc, I used his annotated version of the Grieg piano concerto). Nice to see his use of the (neglected) sostenuto pedal as well. Thanks for your thoughts on this, Tim.
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