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Post by driscollmusick on Dec 18, 2018 0:55:27 GMT
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Post by gx on Dec 18, 2018 5:43:58 GMT
Hilarious! So true. Here's something that relates.. (I'd like to try this out.. as i imagine other composers might also .
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Post by Mike Hewer on Dec 18, 2018 8:31:34 GMT
I'm on Sibelius, been using it all my (digital) career and yeah, Sib7 was a real pain. On Sib8 now, but will never subscribe to Avid, roll on Dorico. I'm used to the ribbon but it certainly is un-intuitive and even now, I have to pause occasionally to think where a particular function is. Absolutely hilarious video John and right on the money.
Greg, do you know how that was that done? Very funny, but staged too no doubt.
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Post by gx on Dec 18, 2018 20:05:33 GMT
I was guessing it was by some remote keyboard affecting the movement of the ghost piano, in real time.. I thought of it as a kind of 'Candid Camera' episode.. Reading some of the comments, I guess those who approached the piano were actors, which did diminish it for me, somewhat, as I thought it wouldn't be necessary to set the tunes in advance, - and really do it on the fly with the unsuspecting passersby. One, I suppose would have much longer waiting time for the trap to catch… Oh well… a light tickle while it lasted.
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Post by Bob Porter on Dec 18, 2018 21:27:16 GMT
Pretty funny. It points out the way to not try to use any new piece of software. I know many people expect to be able to open a new program and think the UI should be intuitive enough that they can just jump in and use a complicated program right out of the gate. As long as computers have been around you'd think people would get over that. Sure, each of us can probably name some program that was indeed easy to use right away. But I can just about guaranty that there are plenty of people that couldn't figure out the program that we thought was easy. That's the problem, we all think differently. I'm no computer wiz, but I've used Windows since W98. Every time a new version came out there was a massive outcry. Everytime someone says if it ain't broke don't fix it. After all, you needed 128 MB of ram to run XP. At the time ram was not cheap. And Vista? Forget it. People hate W10. Folks spend so much time complaining about something new. It seems to me that they should just learn about whatever is new and get on with it. Lamenting what is no more seems self destructive. I had no problems with Vista or W10. By the way, the right-click functions are still the same. I thought that, under the guise of being a first time user, this guy seemed to find the hardest way to do most everything. He made it look like you have to go to several different places to set up a score. It's all doable in one place, easily. I'm a Sibelius user since V4. Back when the Finns answered the customer service line. Hardly a perfect program. But none are. I know nothing about Dorico. I'm still waiting for someone to post something produced by it.
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Post by driscollmusick on Dec 19, 2018 20:15:13 GMT
Pretty funny. It points out the way to not try to use any new piece of software. I know many people expect to be able to open a new program and think the UI should be intuitive enough that they can just jump in and use a complicated program right out of the gate. As long as computers have been around you'd think people would get over that. Sure, each of us can probably name some program that was indeed easy to use right away. But I can just about guaranty that there are plenty of people that couldn't figure out the program that we thought was easy. That's the problem, we all think differently. I'm no computer wiz, but I've used Windows since W98. Every time a new version came out there was a massive outcry. Everytime someone says if it ain't broke don't fix it. After all, you needed 128 MB of ram to run XP. At the time ram was not cheap. And Vista? Forget it. People hate W10. Folks spend so much time complaining about something new. It seems to me that they should just learn about whatever is new and get on with it. Lamenting what is no more seems self destructive. I had no problems with Vista or W10. By the way, the right-click functions are still the same. I thought that, under the guise of being a first time user, this guy seemed to find the hardest way to do most everything. He made it look like you have to go to several different places to set up a score. It's all doable in one place, easily. I'm a Sibelius user since V4. Back when the Finns answered the customer service line. Hardly a perfect program. But none are. I know nothing about Dorico. I'm still waiting for someone to post something produced by it. Bob, I will say I find your "it's good enough" approach to everything a little frustrating. If a software program could be easily fixed by a good designer to be significantly more functional to all its users, not just newbies (multiple examples provided in the video), why wouldn't you support that? Similarly, if a composer could significantly improve his mockups using a (free) DAW and (free) plugins, why shouldn't a composer do that? If music is truly worth all this effort, why settle for mixed results? Demos of Dorico are available for free. The genius of the program, IMO, is that it solves all sorts of formatting/layout issues by default, instead of relying on the user to make all sorts of manual adjustments for a good-looking layout (i.e., the Dorico difference is that it is a notation program that was designed under modern design principles--usability). It is NOT easy software to learn (especially if you don't read music!), but it will save its sophisticated users hours and hours compared to Finale and Sibelius, even for those who are not looking for a professional level output.
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Post by Bob Porter on Dec 20, 2018 7:09:47 GMT
Bob, I will say I find your "it's good enough" approach to everything a little frustrating. If a software program could be easily fixed by a good designer to be significantly more functional to all its users, not just newbies (multiple examples provided in the video), why wouldn't you support that? Similarly, if a composer could significantly improve his mockups using a (free) DAW and (free) plugins, why shouldn't a composer do that? If music is truly worth all this effort, why settle for mixed results? Demos of Dorico are available for free. The genius of the program, IMO, is that it solves all sorts of formatting/layout issues by default, instead of relying on the user to make all sorts of manual adjustments for a good-looking layout (i.e., the Dorico difference is that it is a notation program that was designed under modern design principles--usability). It is NOT easy software to learn (especially if you don't read music!), but it will save its sophisticated users hours and hours compared to Finale and Sibelius, even for those who are not looking for a professional level output. Actually, I'm not really defending Sibelius. There's plenty of things wrong with it. The problem is that I'm not really in a position to buy anything else. Fortunately for me, my notation needs are pretty simple. Sure, I can get Cakewalk for free, but not quality sounds. And as for Dorico, playback would have to be spectacular to justify an investment in it. If I made my living at music, in particular composing, it might be different. As for the video? Some things would be improvements, to be sure. Some things, a matter of opinion. Then he just got silly. But I really doubt that there are going to be any real improvements until the company is sold again. It doesn't make any difference what I support. Sorry man, I don't mean to frustrate you. It might surprise you to know that, IMO, plenty of composing tools are not "good enough". Not even close. NotePerformer falls short. The sound file I posted a few days ago is not "good enough". Though I think people would be surprised to know how I made it. My skill as a composer is so short of not "good enough", as to not even register. And that won't be improved by a different UI no matter how easy it might be to use. "Easy" does not automatically translate to "better". I do it for the fun of it. For me, there is a difference between "it's good enough", and "what's practical" in my situation. I own Sibelius, so that's what I use. And let's put it this way: I did some composing after college. Anything I wrote was done at the piano on paper. Simple things for a few instruments or choir. After a while, I didn't working that way. So I stopped altogether. That was about 1979, or so. Somewhere around 2003, my wife got a music-teaching job. She bought Sibelius with an education discount. I was writing stuff the next day.
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