Post by Dave Dexter on Oct 12, 2017 10:52:53 GMT
I mentioned this to king2b who generously offered to help, so I'm making this thread for anyone else it's useful to, or who feels like chipping in.
Situation: I use Logic for all my scores and am pretty good with getting it to do what I want, but it's clunky, unintuitive and - worst of all - slow. I can create a full score, but I can't extract parts or a conductor's score from it, instead having to create multiple independent projects. Aside from the clumsiness of having to place many notation markings individually and manually, that's the biggest annoyance for me.
(If I've missed something in Logic I'd love to know, because Sibelius is expensive, but I can't see any way to have a single project which is simoultaneously all instruments, condensed instrument score for ex. four horns on one stave, and individual parts, all with their own unique layout settings. My workaround is creating the full score then saving as two identical projects - in one I combine staves and delete duplicated information like notes, dynamics, notation etc, and in the other I setup parts, and any changes in one must be propagated manually to the other. It's rubbish)
I tried importing midi into Sibelius and surprisingly it wasn't a complete mess:
The only changes I made were fixing clefs as everything imported as treble, and deleted midi information which manifested as hundreds of text objects. Whilst slurs, hairpins, dynamics, staff styles etc didn't carry over, the general layout, time signatures, names and overall shape did.
Problem comes with now trying to tidy it to a state I'm familiar with - here's my big list of things I need to be able to do and don't know where to start looking for:
- Grouping sections by barline and brackets; so barlines stop between woodwind and brass, etc
- Changing quantisation: as you can see in the screenshot, fast runs get condensed, which I solved in logic by making quantisation finer;
- Ability to change stem direction as desired for ease of reading in condensed parts (very annoying to achieve in Logic)
- For grand staffs, ability to assign notes between staffs (also a pain in Logic)
- How do I even select an entire staff and change its values? (So turning one staff into a grand staff, creating percussion that switches between treble, bass and single-line) How do I select things? I'm confused
- Ability to have one project containing full score, condensed and parts in whatever different layouts I need
- General notation freedom, though that at least I've found some menus for
And probably dozens more individual things besides. Basically, "how does Sibelius work" as I'm approaching it to try and achieve something it's taken me two years to semi-master in Logic. We're talking fundaments, I'm still getting used to using "cmd" allowing the mouse to select things.
Any help hugely appreciated!
Situation: I use Logic for all my scores and am pretty good with getting it to do what I want, but it's clunky, unintuitive and - worst of all - slow. I can create a full score, but I can't extract parts or a conductor's score from it, instead having to create multiple independent projects. Aside from the clumsiness of having to place many notation markings individually and manually, that's the biggest annoyance for me.
(If I've missed something in Logic I'd love to know, because Sibelius is expensive, but I can't see any way to have a single project which is simoultaneously all instruments, condensed instrument score for ex. four horns on one stave, and individual parts, all with their own unique layout settings. My workaround is creating the full score then saving as two identical projects - in one I combine staves and delete duplicated information like notes, dynamics, notation etc, and in the other I setup parts, and any changes in one must be propagated manually to the other. It's rubbish)
I tried importing midi into Sibelius and surprisingly it wasn't a complete mess:
The only changes I made were fixing clefs as everything imported as treble, and deleted midi information which manifested as hundreds of text objects. Whilst slurs, hairpins, dynamics, staff styles etc didn't carry over, the general layout, time signatures, names and overall shape did.
Problem comes with now trying to tidy it to a state I'm familiar with - here's my big list of things I need to be able to do and don't know where to start looking for:
- Grouping sections by barline and brackets; so barlines stop between woodwind and brass, etc
- Changing quantisation: as you can see in the screenshot, fast runs get condensed, which I solved in logic by making quantisation finer;
- Ability to change stem direction as desired for ease of reading in condensed parts (very annoying to achieve in Logic)
- For grand staffs, ability to assign notes between staffs (also a pain in Logic)
- How do I even select an entire staff and change its values? (So turning one staff into a grand staff, creating percussion that switches between treble, bass and single-line) How do I select things? I'm confused
- Ability to have one project containing full score, condensed and parts in whatever different layouts I need
- General notation freedom, though that at least I've found some menus for
And probably dozens more individual things besides. Basically, "how does Sibelius work" as I'm approaching it to try and achieve something it's taken me two years to semi-master in Logic. We're talking fundaments, I'm still getting used to using "cmd" allowing the mouse to select things.
Any help hugely appreciated!