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Post by Dave Dexter on Oct 18, 2017 13:45:24 GMT
I actually forgot the original question was traditional forms, I restrained myself for a while at least Not seen WW yet. (I edited out a small rant on Junkie XL, as unbefitting an inclusive composer forum.)
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Post by driscollmusick on Oct 19, 2017 10:57:28 GMT
Skip ahead to 5:47 if you want to hear the guitar...
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Post by driscollmusick on Oct 19, 2017 11:06:30 GMT
At least in modern opera, the use of electronic instruments is quite common. John Adams, in particular, tends to use them in subtle, effective ways, and there was some fun stuff in the the Steve Jobs opera this summer.
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Post by Dave Dexter on Oct 19, 2017 11:34:51 GMT
Skip ahead to 5:47 if you want to hear the guitar... I mentioned this earlier in fact. These days I think it's a big pile of nothing with occasional memorable moments.
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Post by driscollmusick on Oct 19, 2017 12:13:27 GMT
Yes, just thought it would be interesting for folks to see it. What's funny is how conservative it is.
It's how I imagine the old castrati concerts were--subpar music with a strong sexualized personality taking center stage.
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Post by Dave Dexter on Oct 19, 2017 13:37:04 GMT
Ignoring how Yngwie writes and his grab-bag approach to classical music in general (if you find the Fugue piece by itself on Youtube there's many comments along the lines of "hey, this isn't a fugue, you can't just write something classicalish and slap a specific term on it") I think the problem is he's writing for himself as a performer, and his thing as a performer is to play very fast. If I had access to Yng as a musician I'd write him parts very different to what he'd write for himself. Bugs me how many people hail him as the modern Mozart or whoever because of this when the more impressive work was done by his orchestrator. I think this is a much better example of electric guitar in a vaguely classical setting; Written by a paralysed guitarist and composer for another guitarist to play. Iffy samples and occasional structural issues aside, I think the playing and tone is extraordinary. Off-topic, he composed a choral piece for the same album and it's worth a listen: Yes, just thought it would be interesting for folks to see it. What's funny is how conservative it is. It's how I imagine the old castrati concerts were--subpar music with a strong sexualized personality taking center stage.
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Post by pantonal on Oct 25, 2017 1:47:08 GMT
Wow! That Yngvie concerto is a turd! The guitar overpowers everything else and the guitar part consists of only note spray in as much of the piece I could listen to. However, let the record show I could only listen to two minutes. If there's more interesting music later on please let me know. By contrast the Jason Becker piece explores textures nicely while still giving a requisite dose of fast notes. The choral piece is also nice but it doesn't sound anything like a real choir. Still it has some interesting parts, but doesn't strike me as being as creative as the other piece. Thanks for posting.
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Post by Dave Dexter on Oct 25, 2017 1:52:32 GMT
As far as I'm aware, Higher (the choral piece) was recorded with real singers. Certainly they were listed personnel for the album sessions. Yngwie has some good melodies but they tend to get buried. "Brothers" is perhaps his best in that sense.
I have no real problem with the sound of his guitar with the orchestra - I think his tone fits well - just what he actually plays.
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Post by BootHamilton on Jun 20, 2018 20:08:18 GMT
Hey. If it works, it works.
All of these false barriers & constrictions are a bit nuts and incredibly myopic, to me. Over on VI everyone's carping that such & such doesn't sound eXACTly like (fill in the blank) acoustic instrument.
A couple decades or so down the road, this period is going to be (I hope) looked back upon as 'that rather quaint period' whence self-titled composers (myself included), rather than celebrating all of the new and glorious possibilities of VSTi technology, instead were preoccupied with torturing themselves in the psychotic machinations involved in the pursuit of using software to perfectly duplicate hardware. That particular endeavour is all well and fine, and a wonder in itself but, come on, folks, let's all plug it in & crank it up, already.
What do the rings of Saturn sound like through a '57 tweed Bassman bouncing off the Oort Cloud? That's where I want a front row seat.
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Post by Dave Dexter on Jun 20, 2018 21:27:30 GMT
There aren't many places you could get a decent guitar sound in the solar system. I'd go for Titan.
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Post by rayinstirling on Jun 20, 2018 21:58:17 GMT
The fact is, music doesn’t need electricity. It’s a bonus not a necessity.
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Post by Dave Dexter on Jun 20, 2018 22:12:37 GMT
The fact is, music doesn’t need electricity. It’s a bonus not a necessity. *looks sadly at wall of guitars and amps* . . . oh
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Post by BootHamilton on Jun 21, 2018 3:16:48 GMT
The fact is, music doesn’t need electricity. It’s a bonus not a necessity. Same w/ humans. However, we must have electricity to continue our interactions here on the interwebs. And my pc. Nothing more. Mmmmmm... that should include my monitors. There. Ooh... & for my coffee, too. But that's all. & tea. I guess I should add my air conditioning. I'm done. Well - let's include the furnace, too. Yes, 'gotta' have my furnace. O.K. Really all done. Oh, the refrigerator. If I don't eat... Well, that would be the end of me. Finito. I think....
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Post by rayinstirling on Jun 21, 2018 6:30:04 GMT
The fact is, music doesn’t need electricity. It’s a bonus not a necessity. Same w/ humans. Exactly, leaving the world with birdsong. We are nothing more than the accidental species.
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Post by Dave Dexter on Jun 21, 2018 11:12:25 GMT
Eh, no more accidental than anything else in the universe, so may as well turn it up. Perhaps . . . on a Marshall plexi.
Though as I may have said, I think classical instruments sound best naturally, in a good space of course. The one time the Liverpool Phil used overheads when I was there was the Tallis Fantasia, and I'd have preferred to hear it acoustically.
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