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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2017 11:44:27 GMT
Anyone interested or are we only concerned with score and fugue?
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Post by Mike Hewer on Sept 15, 2017 13:20:34 GMT
HurRAY, it is you. I wasn't completely sure. och aye the scapegoat (what does och aye the noo(!) mean?)
Good idea Ray.
(that is a very common chord progression though)
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Post by BootHamilton on Sept 15, 2017 13:23:05 GMT
I'm not sure how far from the subject of composing the powers that be want to digress. While it is, of course, 'connected', as the end result of composing, and even though I likely would find, from time to time, interesting posts in such a thread, I, for one, think it's a bit far afield of the main thrust of this forum. Just one man's opinion.
It'll be interesting to see what the consensus is.
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Post by Mike Hewer on Sept 15, 2017 13:38:51 GMT
I'm of the view that bad presentation/production counts against the music as far as the listener is concerned and hinders the communication between composer and listener. No sense in learning how to compose well if you can't present the effort in its best light. Surely a little know-how in production can do no harm. Most composers these days have to represent themselves with self-generated tracks and most are judged accordingly methinks.
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Post by Bob Porter on Sept 15, 2017 13:50:03 GMT
I have no problem with such a board.
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Post by Dave Dexter on Sept 15, 2017 14:33:42 GMT
Unless you work completely with real musicians and employ engineers (and even then a good mockup can help secure the job before that stage) or hand everything over to a DAW expert to polish, production is vital for any composer wanting to work in the field. It also has some crossover with how orchestration ideally meshes together. Good call, Ray. . . . I'm thinking it has a lot of shared DNA with the DAW thread, since most of us will be doing production in that arena - maybe rename it to "Production techniques & DAW resources?" or similar? Any thoughts? I'm not sure how far from the subject of composing the powers that be want to digress. While it is, of course, 'connected', as the end result of composing, and even though I likely would find, from time to time, interesting posts in such a thread, I, for one, think it's a bit far afield of the main thrust of this forum. Just one man's opinion. It'll be interesting to see what the consensus is.
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Post by king2b on Sept 15, 2017 14:57:16 GMT
Are you going to pin it down to just DAW users then?
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Post by Mike Hewer on Sept 15, 2017 17:40:50 GMT
perhaps DAW and (dare I say it) Notation software production tips?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2017 17:43:40 GMT
Are you going to pin it down to just DAW users then? I'm not. Whether Notation App or DAW if there are inbuilt methods of manipulating the audio output then it's fair game. if you do your own recording of real instruments there is a need to have said recording presenting the music in the best possible light.
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Post by BootHamilton on Sept 15, 2017 19:46:02 GMT
So do you foresee this getting into mixing, EQ, compressing, limiting, mastering levels, LFKS/LUFS, loudness wars, etc? Seems like this is opening a can of worms, not to mention an over abundance of this subject already all over the interweb, as opposed to a rather lovely forum dedicated to the art of composing music.
But that's just me - swimming upstream again. Have at it.
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Post by Dave Dexter on Sept 15, 2017 20:12:02 GMT
No, but I think the majority of people here to whom it would apply would be using DAWs for production, and I just want the most economical placing of the topic Are you going to pin it down to just DAW users then?
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Post by Dave Dexter on Sept 15, 2017 20:16:16 GMT
It's a can of worms as much as any discussion of music here, as long as we're nice the worms won't bite. We're talking one category in one board so it's not going to dilute the pure music, but presentation of your own music and therefore assimilation thereof by listeners is about as important as writing good music. "I think you used the wrong kind of reverb so it sounds unnatural", for example, is a simple production critique, and an often important one. I'm siding with Ray, Mike et al. Sorry Just ignore the thread if you want to talk only about composing. So do you foresee this getting into mixing, EQ, compressing, limiting, mastering levels, LFKS/LUFS, loudness wars, etc? Seems like this is opening a can of worms, not to mention an over abundance of this subject already all over the interweb, as opposed to a rather lovely forum dedicated to the art of composing music. But that's just me - swimming upstream again. Have at it.
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Post by Bob Porter on Sept 15, 2017 20:52:32 GMT
Boot, I think I'm going to defend this idea, even though I might not have much use for it. I see it more as a board where folks who have a specific question about reverb or mixing, or whatever, can ask such a question. If no one ever asks such a question, so be it.
It's one thing to compose music. It's something else entirely to present it here. Let's say I wrote something for orchestra, and I got the chance to have a real orchestra play it. How do I record it. If I was able to multi-track it, what do I do then. Or maybe my music is a combination of live and recorded instruments.
Or, say I'm just learning how to use a DAW. Manuals are clear as mud. And never seem to deal with what I need to know.
On the other hand, Mike wants to present things in their best light. The problem is that no two people are going to agree on what that means. Sure there will be disagreements. But there could also be the same problems when someone asks how to proceed after a certain chord progression. Or complaints for not modulating at a certain point(actual complaint I received. This person went so far as to say I was a poor composer because I didn't do what he thought I should do). Yes, composing is an art, but not immune from human pettiness, in any area.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2017 20:53:47 GMT
Boot, Creating music is and always has been my number one goal. If the music isn't good enough no amount of production can save it. Art needs craft and not just in form and theory. Well produced and recorded is no more than a bonus but......why not?
Ray
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Post by fuguestate on Sept 15, 2017 21:16:35 GMT
I am for this. Sure, it may not be "directly" related to composing in the puristic sense, but as Ray said, if some simple tips can turn a ho-hum production (or worse, an 8-bit production that makes your ears bleed) into at least a passingly pleasant one, why not?
As for DAW users or whatever, my view is that audio production has enough general principles that it is meaningful to discuss, say, how much reverb one should use for some given track, what kind of reverb, etc., without necessarily tying it to a DAW or some specific software. In my current setup, for example, I don't have a "real" DAW; I mainly generate my audio from notation software, and the MIDI itself needs a fair amount of tweaking to be presentable even as MIDI. Usually I set it up to split different groups of instruments into different MIDI files, to be handled separately. Then I have a post-processing step using an audio processing tool where I merge the output of different MIDIs into a final audio file, possibly with some effects added. In theory, I could also have different effects applied to them before they are mixed into the final output. This is all possible, save for one thing: I'm totally ignorant when it comes to audio production, so I wouldn't even know where to begin, even given this vast array of possibilities at my disposal. This is where people like Ray can provide valuable tips and principles to point people like me in the right direction.
I vote for an audio production section on this forum.
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