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Post by BootHamilton on Sept 8, 2017 1:42:50 GMT
For obvious reasons ( i.e. I could use one).
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Post by Bob Porter on Sept 9, 2017 0:47:27 GMT
Though how would we define a beginner? At what point does one move to intermediate.
I was a music ed major in school. Almost 50 years ago. I've been writing for a long time. I'm not sure I've made intermediate.
I do get it, though. We need a place where people can ask what they think might be simple questions. I'm not sure there are any simple questions in art.
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Post by Dave Dexter on Sept 9, 2017 9:21:00 GMT
Hmm. I think that might be counter-productive - one of the best ways not to be a beginner is ask questions of non-beginners. I don't want to foster an environment where beginners, myself included, have their own little section. The best thing is to start a thread in an appropriate area with whatever query you have, ask a question when someone posts material that's relevant to you, or search through the resources slowly being compiled.
I can add a board specifically for asking questions though? I'd just like to avoid too much duplication of information.
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Post by David Unger on Sept 9, 2017 11:40:17 GMT
I must say I agree with Dave on this one. The wonderful thing about these forums is the ofter very open and helpful attitude of fellow members where pros, amateurs and even beginners meet and discuss in a friendly atmosphere. I think a lot would be lost if we never where given the input from those who are in diffrerent phases than ourselves when it comes to developing our craft and our skills. I think that this forum has gotten off to a good start when it comes to how we treat each other and I hope to see it developing in a different direction than the old forum when it comes to keeping good tone in the conversations and always wanted the best for our fellow members. I hope to be part of that open atmosphere and I believe that noone should feel the need to "hide away" in a particular section of the forum just because they feel they are not as knowledgeable as someone else. It could also become troublesome to have a beginners section because we can all feel that way at times (compared to Mike I also see myself as a beginner, but compared to someone else I would perhaps be seen as rather more advanced) and if there is too much of an imbalance in the beginners section when it comes to the level of advancement in skill and craft I think that it could be even worse for the "real" beginners than if everyone meet at common ground in sections open for everyone. But I might be wrong - just thinking out loud here. Ask away, write away and share away and we all comment with what we have to share, I'd say.
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Post by Dave Dexter on Sept 9, 2017 12:28:02 GMT
Exactly my perspective. I've made a "How do I . . .?" board in the resources section which I think should cover bases. Boot, never feel backward in asking things. We seem to have accrued the members who like sharing their experience and knowledge, and I got a fair bit of mine by asking questions of members like Mike, Tim and many others. I love that I know and can do things now I couldn't do not long ago, and if I can help bring that feeling to someone else then I love that too. I must say I agree with Dave on this one. The wonderful thing about these forums is the ofter very open and helpful attitude of fellow members where pros, amateurs and even beginners meet and discuss in a friendly atmosphere. I think a lot would be lost if we never where given the input from those who are in diffrerent phases than ourselves when it comes to developing our craft and our skills.
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Post by BootHamilton on Sept 9, 2017 20:59:25 GMT
I guess that I was really thinking of a 'place' where newbies wouldn't feel shy asking basic, beginner-type questions, rather than than chiming-in on some more elevated discussion to ask, "How many notes are in a chord?" I don't think for a minute that any of us would give someone with a basic question a hard time. I'm not looking at this from the perspective of whether or not more advanced members would be crappy to a newbie, but rather from the perspective of a newbie. Just to provide a place where less advanced members could have a comfort level and not feel too intimidated to ask.
It works pretty well over on the REAPER forums. Members who know their s**t check in to the newbie area and patiently answer anything that's been asked. No big deal - just thought it might be something to consider.
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Post by Bob Porter on Sept 9, 2017 21:24:22 GMT
Except that the answer to "How many notes are in a chord." is not a simple one. On a certain level, there might not be any simple questions. But, sure, a place to ask those questions(like this place) is a fine idea.
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Post by BootHamilton on Sept 10, 2017 1:15:54 GMT
Except that the answer to "How many notes are in a chord." is not a simple one. On a certain level, there might not be any simple questions. But, sure, a place to ask those questions(like this place) is a fine idea. Ohhhh-Kaaaaaayyyy... I should've said, "What's a note?" And Porter... please don't give me, "Well, that depends..." You know what I mean.
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Post by Bob Porter on Sept 10, 2017 1:37:18 GMT
I do know what you mean. How's this: let's say I want to write a series of chords. I have the first one. How do I find the second one? Or, I managed to write a melody. How do I figure out a harmony? I think those are very pressing questions, that everyone, no matter their level, has to deal with. Some of these things are answered internally, because we are steeped in western music. We hear it all the time, so we know when something we write doesn't quite fit what we think we know. But sometimes there's a glitch in the programming. Perhaps a better question than "What's a note?", might be "Where is it going?"
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Post by BootHamilton on Sept 10, 2017 2:50:07 GMT
OK. This is getting off track. Screw a beginners thread.
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Post by Bob Porter on Sept 10, 2017 5:14:45 GMT
Sorry, Boot. I meant no harm.
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Post by Bob Porter on Sept 10, 2017 5:38:06 GMT
Of course we need a beginners thread. And I'll be in there asking questions, too. I'm not very good at writing melodies. So I almost never write them. Chord progressions? I know a bit more about that. I write progressions and melody one beat at a time. Or at least one measure at at time. The point is, there's several ways to do something. You have asked some great questions. Keep it up. And great people here will answer them.
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Post by David Unger on Sept 10, 2017 12:07:44 GMT
I think too that there should be a place for asking questions. What I turned against was the categorisation "beginners thread". I think it was a good idea by Dave to add the "How do I...?" category instead since we are all more or less knowledgeable in different things. I am rather quaalified as a music theorist but can not at all write counterpoint like HS or play piano like Boot or guitar like Bob... and so forth. Therefore we all need to ask questions about different things and are all in our own way beginners on something. And therefore the term falls since we are also qualified in our specific but very different ways. So I hope that the "How do I" thread can fill the need for us all when we need to ve enlightened on a new subject. The more open we can make all categories the less is the risk of certain knowledge being seen as "better" than other as the forum (hopefully) grows and gathers more members in time.
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Post by BootHamilton on Sept 10, 2017 15:08:40 GMT
+1. It is an elegant solution.
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Post by Dave Dexter on Sept 10, 2017 15:16:26 GMT
I could change it to "Composer's 101" or something if that's clearer? Any ideas? +1. It is an elegant solution.
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